The 144,000 explained

Hi folks. This morning the preacher explained the 144,000 described in Revelation 7:4. It was the first time I had ever heard it explained with perfect clarity. I’m going to try to condense the message of the sermon here for the rest of you. I hope I can do it justice. Read slowly and read twice because this is good stuff.

Let’s start at Revelation 6. It’s important to understand that the seven seals, the seven trumpets and the seven bowls are not different things. They are the same seven items described in different ways. Revelation 6:13 says “the stars of heaven fell unto the earth”. Lets compare that to Matthew 24:29 where it also says “the stars shall fall from heaven”. The two verses are talking about the same event. It’s important to keep in mind that Matthew 24 is talking about the end of the jewish age which happened in AD 70, Matthew 25 is talking about the end of the world which is yet to come.

Now lets move into Revelation 7. Revelation 7:1 talks about four angels “holding the four winds of the earth”. The four winds are God’s judgment. We can know this by letting scripture interpret scripture. Jeremiah 49:35 and 36 are talking about God’s judgment against Elam. In Jeremiah 49:36 God says “upon Elam I will bring the four winds”.
So God’s judgment is being held and 7:3 tells us that it is held back “until the servant’s of our God are sealed”. The term sealed means marked, chosen, separated. Again we can let scripture interpret scripture. Ezekiel 9:4 -7 is a prophesy about the very same event and makes it clear that the men being sealed are being chosen before a judgment and are being separated out so that they do not take part in it.
Next Revelation 7:4 tells us exactly who is being sealed/separated. It says 144,000 people and it specifically says from the children of Israel. Revelation 14:1 is also referring this same group of 144’000 and 14:3 says they were “redeemed from the earth”. Then 14:4 calls them the “firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb”. The term firstfruits has a specific meaning here. It refers to the first part of each harvest which was handed over to the Lord. See Leviticus 2:12 and again let scripture interpret scripture.
A quick recap. God’s judgment is withheld until 144,000 are chosen out and removed from the earth. We know these are all from the children of Israel.

We can read another reference to this group of servants in Revelation 20:4, “I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus and for the word of God”. This is the same group of people. It says they “reigned with Christ a thousand years” then 20:5 says “the rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection”. The term “thousand years” is a figurative term. It’s basically a span of time that only God knows.

Now let’s put these events in their proper perspective. Let’s again let scripture interpret scripture. Matthew 27:51-53 are describing events that took place at Jesus’ crucifixion. 27:51 says “the veil of the temple was rent in twain from top to bottom”. This is another symbolic and very specific term. In the jewish age, that is under law, there was a veil in the temple in front of the holy place. Only priests could go behind it and no one else could even look behind it. Jesus put an end to this. Now anyone could approach God through Christ. It’s a symbol of the end of the jewish age and the beginning of the Kingdom.

Then right after that Matthew 27:52 and 53 say “And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many”. This was at the crucifixion, before any gentiles had been converted. All these saints which arose were Israelites. They appeared to many but didn’t stay around. Are the lights coming on yet? These saints which arose after Jesus’ resurrection were the 144,000 spoken about in Revelation 7:4. This was the first resurrection spoken about in Revelation 20:5. These were the firstfruits spoken about in Revelation 14:1-4. These men reign with Christ RIGHT NOW and they have been reigning with Him since the first resurrection described in Matthew 27:52 and 53, which took place about 33AD.

Let’s look back in Revelation again at 7:9. This is after the 144,000 were sealed. It says “After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands” THAT’S US. That is the Church. We are the rest who take part in the second resurrection. The first resurrection has already been, it was all Israelites. The second resurrection will be “of all nations and kindreds and people and tongues” as it says in Revelation 7:9.

I’ll give you a few verses to prove this time frame is correct. Again let scripture interpret scripture. Matthew 24:34 says “Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled”. Some of them were indeed still alive when these things took place. If these are future events then Jesus’ would have to have been wrong when He said that and we know that’s not possible. Again in Matthew 16:28 Jesus says “Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom”. Some of those were still alive when the events took place. Let scripture interpret scripture. Again the only way this could be a future event is if Jesus were wrong in that statement. Not happening.
So the 144,000 were sealed, they were removed from the earth at the first resurrection right after Jesus’ resurrection in AD 33 and finally the four winds/God’s judgment came in 70 AD.

Condensed from a sermon by Elder Nichols.

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The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse

Today at church the preacher explained the four horsemen of the apocalypse. It was such a useful sermon that I thought it might be a good idea to condense it and post it for the benefit of others. Always before I leave for church I pray and ask the Lord to give us whatever message He wants us to receive through the mouth of the brother and to let nothing stand in His way. The Lord hooked us up this morning.

First of all the preacher explained a fundamental rule of bible study, which is ‘don’t form an opinion that creates a contradiction’. In other words if you have an opinion or scenario in mind that make two bible verses contradict each other then your opinion is wrong and you need to go back and read some more.

Now on to the first horseman. The first horseman, the one on the white horse isn’t at all what I used to think. Which is dumb because just a little cross referencing explains clearly who this is. Lets look at what the word says about Him in Revelation 6, a crown was given to Him and He went out to conquer. Now lets cross reference this with Revelation 19:11-16. Here we have a more detailed description of the first horseman. Again He is on a whites horse, He has many crowns and again He is conquering. He smites the nations and rules over them with an iron rod. This is the same horseman. He is called ‘Word of God’ and ‘Lord of lords and King of kings’. This is obviously the Lord Jesus. So the first of the four horsemen is Jesus. He conquers, it’s the beginning of His kingdom which is the church. First Corinthians 15:54-57 explains how He has conquered death itself. All death does for the believer is liberate us from the clay pot that we walk around in while we are on the earth. It’s a victory for the believer not for death because all death gets is the clay pot.

Now for the other three horsemen. These don’t represent specific events in time but rather they represent general conditions that the world will endure until the Lord’s return. The second horseman on the red horse is obviously war. There have been very few periods of real peace in the world there’s usually a war going on somewhere. We’re in a war right now.
The third horseman on the black horse has a balance and represents famine. We don’t think about famine much in the United States now days but we’ve dealt with it in the past and in other parts of the world famine is and has been a problem. Thousands starved in North Korea so Kim Jong could afford to build nukes and rockets.
The fourth horseman on the pale horse is death as the scripture clearly says. Another condition that has always been around and always will be until the Lord returns. A third of the population of Europe died during the black plague.

Any person living at any time since the Lord’s time on earth could have looked around at what was going on in the world and if they understood who the horsemen were they would honestly say ‘yes that’s exactly what we have going on’. War, famine and death, the last three horsemen, have always been with us and will be until the Lord returns. Fortunately for the Christian we also have the first horseman. Even though we are still in the world and have to put up with the troubles of the world the Lord Jesus is still with us. We belong to Him. He said ‘I am always with you, even to the end of the world’.

It’s my personal opinion that the first appearance of Him on the white horse in Revelation six represents the beginning of the kingdom of God which is the Church age. And the second appearance of Him on the white horse in Revelation 19 represents the second coming of the Lord Jesus. I wholeheartedly look forward to it. I think we are somewhere between the two right now but are getting close to the second. I haven’t had a chance to talk to the preacher about this aspect yet but I will. I will post a follow-up when I do.

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The modern nephilim scenario compared to new age beliefs

Hi folks. A few weeks ago I put up an article about the modern nephilim scenario and I pointed out new age elements within the scenario. I heard quite a bit of whining from several individuals claiming that the scenario was not new age. I will respond to that now. I believe I can demonstrate that the modern nephilim scenario has quite a bit in common with the scenario that new agers believe. Not all proponents of modern nephilim believe all these items but many do.

A simple chart comparing beliefs should make this obvious.

New age scenario Modern nephilim scenario Bible based scenario

the universe is millions of years old

the universe is millions of years old

the universe is thousands of years old

there were civilizations on other planets long before mankind existed on earth

there were civilizations on other planets long before mankind existed on earth

there have never been any civilizations on other planets

The asteroid belt was once an inhabited planet called Maldek which was destroyed during a war between two ET factions

The asteroid belt was once an inhabited planet called Rahab which was ruled by Satan and was destroyed during a war between God and Satan

There have never been any inhabitants on other planets, Satan is a spirit and and the angelic war was in heaven which is a spiritual place not physical

Mankind was seeded by aliens rather late in galactic history

Mankind was created by God rather late in galactic history

All that exists including mankind were created in one week at the beginning of the universe

there are different types of aliens flying around in spaceships, some hostile, some not

there are nephilim and fallen angels flying around in spaceships, they are hostile

there are no aliens, the nephilim died in the flood, fallen angels don’t need spaceships to go places, there are no spaceships.

alien abductions are really physically happening and are done by aliens in spaceships.

alien abductions are really physically happening and are done by nephilim in spaceships

alien abductions are really happening but are not physical, rather they are demonic visions, a trick of demons

there are stargate portals which aliens use to go from place to place

there are stargate portals which nephilim and fallen angels use to go from place to place

There are no stargate portals, the nephilim were all killed in the flood and fallen angels don’t need portals to go from place to place

there are subterranean alien bases and civilizations beneath the earth’s surface

there are subterranean nephilim and fallen angel bases and civilizations beneath the earth’s surface

The nephilim died in the flood, fallen angels are spirits and live in the spirit realm, there is dirt rock and magma beneath the earth’s surface

expecting an invasion from space by hostile aliens

expecting an invasion from space by nephilim and fallen angels

expecting Jesus to return with His army

If someone decided to make up something that would get Christians and new agers on the same track the modern nephilim scenario would do the job quite nicely. I think it’s obvious that’s what the goal is. The ‘return of the nephilim’ hype began to appear shortly after some Christian researchers proved that aliens are really just demons. Is that a coincidence? I think not, I think it’s damage control by the enemy.

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New age reference links

http://karljahn.tripod.com/Maldek.htm
http://www.galacticfederation-naplesfl.org/earth-history.html
http://exopoliticssouthafrica.org/news/in-depth/5-a-summary-of-galactic-history
http://exopoliticshongkong.com/Earth_History.html

Modern nephilim scenario reference links

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My followup on Marzulli

After hearing some backlash about my previous article I decided to do a little research so I could better make my point. Some of you gave me some links and I used them. I will focus on one specific interview with Mr. Marzulli. In search of the nephilim with Hagmann and Hagmann. With this one alone I can make my points.


At the 23:00 minute mark Mr Marzulli says that creation is millions of years old. Never mind the fact that this was long ago disproven by AIG (1) and others. Marzulli goes on to say that mankind was created six to ten thousand years ago. This is basically the same scenario that new agers teach, an old universe with man only recently coming into play. The only difference is that Marzulli has God creating man and the new agers have aliens creating man (2). He speaks out against evolution as bait but his new age scenario doesn’t need it so he can have an old earth scenario without evolution.


Along about the 42:00-46:00 minute mark Marzulli talks about an experiment that took place. It seems they took human hair, dyed human hair, hair from a Peruvian mummy and hair from an abduction victim who supposedly had sex with a hybrid and used raman spectroscopy to examine the molecular structure. According to Marzulli the mummy hair and the hair from the abduction victim matched proving the mummy was a hybrid. According to Marzulli the hair from the abduction victim was a nephilim hair that got stuck to the victim when he had sex with the hybrid. He offers no proof that this was a nephilim hair. The only problem is the idea that alien abductions are real physical events has been shot down many times. We’ve shot it down several times in the PID group. So Marzulli is using a fairy tale to proof another fairy tale.


At about the 46:00-49:00 minute area Marzulli talks about the megalithic ruins in peru. Cuzco and others. He is giving the same basic spiel the history channel used in the ancient aliens show. The only difference is he has nephilim doing the building and the history channel has aliens doing the building. Chris White debunked the ancient aliens show with surgical precision. His debunking thoroughly shoots down Marzulli’s nephilim claim just as well as it shoots down the history channel’s alien claim (3).


At the 57:00-58:00 minute mark Marzulli talks about a chip that is being developed that will turn people into nephilim by altering their DNA. Another fairy tale idea that has been thoroughly debunked (4).


At the 1:02:00 mark Marzulli talks about ancient pagan sites being portals that were used to teleport in fallen angels. This is the basis for his ley line spiel. He says there was a grid system of these portals before the flood. The only problem is that scripture indicates that in no way do angels fallen or otherwise need a portal to go anywhere nor is there any real evidence for the existence of a grid system.

Marzulli has dreamed up this whole elaborate scenario which is a mixture of new age ideas and fringe Christianity. It’s basicall the same scenario that Tom Horn and Steve Quayle teach. It’s been debunked many times. Larry Scott believes this same scenario. When Larry talks about it he gets shot down but Marzulli preaches it and a lot of people swallow it. It’s like a vicious circle. We debunk the nonsense then some internet personality preaches it again and everybody falls back in line like a bunch of lemmings.

Mr. Marzulli argues against skeptics by pointing out scriptural evidence for the existence of nephilim. The only problem is the skeptics don’t deny the idea of nephilim in the past they just deny the idea of modern day nephilim. Marzulli never addresses this so his response to skeptics is just a straw man that he sets up and then knocks down.

1. http://www.answersingenesis.org/

2. http://goldenageofgaia.com/2012/01/the-seeding-of-humanity/

3.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_pLz93g-ux8

4.https://discernmentzone.wordpress.com/2012/12/31/rewriting-dna/

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Tom Horn and Steve Quayle go new age

I recently listened to an audio file by Tom Horn and Steve Quayle called Vatican Disclosure (1). I listened to about a third of it and had to stop. It was so dumb I couldn’t take it anymore. It was basically a new age teaching with Christian terminology thrown in. Here is the basis of what was being taught.

The universe and our solar system existed for thousands of years before the creation event described in Genesis. There were advanced civilizations with inhabitants on the planets in our solar system. One of them was Satan’s planet. He was the ruler of it. They all flew around in spaceships. Satan had his own spaceship and flew around in it. Then God blew up Satan’s planet, destroyed all the civilizations and then created man on earth. I’m not making this up they really were telling this stuff.

It’s basically the same scenario new agers teach except modified a little to make it sound Christian (as if that were possible). Instead of hi tech aliens flying around in spaceships they have Satan and his angels flying around in spaceships. They have a civilization on earth before man just like the new agers except that they have God creating it so it doesn’t sound as new agey. Never mind that the Bible says in Gen 1:5 that there was evening and morning THE FIRST DAY. God must have lied to us about that one. They even threw in Sitchin’s fairy tale planet Nibiru. As if Mike Heiser hadn’t debunked that one years ago.

The origins of this junk are rooted in gnosticism and the occult. The famous occultist Helene Blavatsky taught that there was a pre adamic race (2). So did Paschal Beverly Randolph (3).
I lost a lot of respect for Tom Horn or Steve Quayle.

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eHsBbMBMiMY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

2.http://books.google.com/books?id=uXwyf1bWtFIC&pg=PA37&lpg=PA37&dq=%2B%22esoteric%22+%22pre+adamic+race%22&source=bl&ots=VOIRGWrYTE&sig=I5f_yP0xdvl2xBZb9s2bF0IibH0&hl=en&sa=X&ei=hQssUa-LEoSJ0QGsq4CACQ&ved=0CEYQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

3.http://www.sprcymru.co.uk/randolph.html

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What happened to the Jerusalem Church. The rest of the story.

Hi guys. Did you ever wonder what happened to the Church in Jerusalem when the city fell to the Romans in 70 AD? A lot of people think the Church perished with the city but this is far from the case. Around 60 AD skirmishes began to break out between Jews and Romans, also between rival factions in Judea. Wars and rumors of wars. In 66 AD Cestius marched the twelfth legion to Jerusalem to put down the rebellion. He surrounded the city and began his siege. During this five day siege there was nearly as much fighting among Jewish factions as there was between Jews and Romans. Cestius was on the verge of taking the city when for no apparent reason he withdrew his troops and left the area. The Jewish Christians remembered that Jesus had said ‘when you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, get out of there’. See Luke 21:20-22. After Cestius withdrew all the Jews who were Christians left. Eusebius records that the Jewish Christians went across the Jordan to a place called Pella. A few months later when Titus marched his legions to Jerusalem there wasn’t a Christian left in the city. When Jerusalem fell to Titus the population of the city was entirely apostate Jews who had rejected the Lord Jesus. The Jewish Christians settled in Pella and thrived there, the Jerusalem Church didn’t disappear it just relocated.

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Are Jews really Khazars

I hear this theory that Jews are really Khazars posing as Israelites stated often. Generally Ashkenazi Jews are believed to be Khazars. I had never heard of a country called Khazaria until I heard it mentioned by someone who was telling me that Jews are really Khazars. I read a lot about history so since I had never heard of Khazaria my first impression was that the whole story was a baloney. I decided to try to get to the truth of the matter as best I could. It turns out there is evidence that Khazaria did exist. There are mentions of it in old history books. Not many but there are enough to establish that a kingdom called Khazaria did exist. Encyclopedia Brittanica has a nice article about it. (1) There are also enough historical references to establish that the king and a number of the people there did convert to Judaism during the dark ages sometime in the 600-700 AD range. Now this just gives us a possibility that the theory is true. It’s not enough to say it’s fact. I turned to DNA studies to get more evidence. This isn’t really my thing so reading about it was brutal but I bit the bullet and read the results of DNA studies of modern Jewish populations. (2) It turns out that Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews do have differences in their DNA. They share some haplogroups that suggest that they do have some common ancestry. But there are also haplogroups that Ashkenazi have that Sephardim don’t have suggesting that the Ashkenazi have ancestry that other groups of Jews don’t share. The DNA evidence suggest that Ashkenazi do carry some Khazarian blood but also some Israelite blood. This was the conclusion of the researchers who did the DNA tests. So the Khazar theory is only partly true. Ashkenazi are not just Khazars they are really a mix of Jewish and Khazarian ancestry. Jewish scholars themselves admit to this and don’t have a problem with it. I don’t see why some consider this issue so important, if they deny the Lord Jesus the result is the same regardless whether they are Khazars or Jews.

(1) http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/316553/Khazar

(2) http://www.jogg.info/11/coffman.htm

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